should we vote?

Cheveyo · Subject: Re: should we vote? Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:02 pm

Street_Smart wrote:

At first I said if I could I wouldn't vote but now I'm moving more towards voting even if the elite still decide who gets chosen or not Shocked

Same, but now I'm back to not voting for sure. I believe in liberty, freedom, justice and peace. The politicians, no matter what they say, are naturally against that. You know how I know this? They run for office, ie seek power over all of us...

That, my friend, is not not liberty.

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killuminati · Subject: Re: should we vote? Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:12 pm

KenCat wrote:

Street_Smart wrote:

At first I said if I could I wouldn't vote but now I'm moving more towards voting even if the elite still decide who gets chosen or not Shocked

Same, but now I'm back to not voting for sure. I believe in liberty, freedom, justice and peace. The politicians, no matter what they say, are naturally against that. You know how I know this? They run for office, ie seek power over all of us...

That, my friend, is not not liberty.

The funny thing is their suppose to represent us THE PEOPLE but all I see them doing is stuffing their pockets at our expense....

Cheveyo · Subject: Re: should we vote? Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:38 pm

Street_Smart wrote:

KenCat wrote:

Street_Smart wrote:

At first I said if I could I wouldn't vote but now I'm moving more towards voting even if the elite still decide who gets chosen or not Shocked

Same, but now I'm back to not voting for sure. I believe in liberty, freedom, justice and peace. The politicians, no matter what they say, are naturally against that. You know how I know this? They run for office, ie seek power over all of us...

That, my friend, is not not liberty.

The funny thing is their suppose to represent us THE PEOPLE but all I see them doing is stuffing their pockets at our expense....

Hey.. They're not that single minded.. They also stuff their rich friend's pockets at our expenses.

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Rename · Counter-Revolutionary Posts: 171 Join date: 2008-07-30

Yes
We should vote
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Cheveyo · Subject: Re: should we vote? Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:05 am

Rename wrote:

Yes
We should vote
/end

Back up your argument...
I backed up mine by saying I do not want to 'vote' for someone to gain actual power over myself and others. Once you vote them in, you're at their complete mercy.
Look at what happened with Bush, he stood as a peaceful, traditional republican (semi-libertarian) and after he was elected, he turned into a warmongering neoconservative who created laws to suppress the people.

And don't say that Democrats are even better... Bill Clinton went to wars too, he just kept them secret. Same with JFK, the political "saint".

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killuminati · Subject: Re: should we vote? Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:58 am

KenCat wrote:

Rename wrote:

Yes
We should vote
/end

Back up your argument...
I backed up mine by saying I do not want to 'vote' for someone to gain actual power over myself and others. Once you vote them in, you're at their complete mercy.
Look at what happened with Bush, he stood as a peaceful, traditional republican (semi-libertarian) and after he was elected, he turned into a warmongering neoconservative who created laws to suppress the people.

And don't say that Democrats are even better... Bill Clinton went to wars too, he just kept them secret. Same with JFK, the political "saint".

THE RIGHT-LEFT ILLUSION

Rename · Counter-Revolutionary Posts: 171 Join date: 2008-07-30

KenCat wrote:

Back up your argument...
I backed up mine by saying I do not want to 'vote' for someone to gain actual power over myself and others. Once you vote them in, you're at their complete mercy.
Look at what happened with Bush, he stood as a peaceful, traditional republican (semi-libertarian) and after he was elected, he turned into a warmongering neoconservative who created laws to suppress the people.

And don't say that Democrats are even better... Bill Clinton went to wars too, he just kept them secret. Same with JFK, the political "saint".

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

killuminati · Subject: Re: should we vote? Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:52 am

ya its kind of iffy since our votes really don't matter the elite in the end choose but we tried santa

Yaotl · Subject: Re: should we vote? Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:53 am

Rename wrote:

KenCat wrote:

Back up your argument...
I backed up mine by saying I do not want to 'vote' for someone to gain actual power over myself and others. Once you vote them in, you're at their complete mercy.
Look at what happened with Bush, he stood as a peaceful, traditional republican (semi-libertarian) and after he was elected, he turned into a warmongering neoconservative who created laws to suppress the people.

And don't say that Democrats are even better... Bill Clinton went to wars too, he just kept them secret. Same with JFK, the political "saint".

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

Well thats fine for you but it doesn't matter who you pick for they all have the same esoteric agenda.

solpacvoicis · Admin Posts: 156 Join date: 2008-07-05

Rename wrote:

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

in communism there isn't a choice cause there is no leader, in socialism, there is a choice =D but that's me and my foolish attempt at trying to fit these concepts in simplified ways...

and no, the point is not to simply forgo voting, its to do other things to solve your problems instead of investing your power in a "representative" who doesn't really represent you anyway..

direct action is an amazing thing =D

Rename · Counter-Revolutionary Posts: 171 Join date: 2008-07-30

@ InsurgenteCujo
I guess somewhat, but many of the idiots we vote for do have different ideas.

@ SolPac
I always switch communism and socialism, than they get mad at me Razz

killuminati · Subject: Re: should we vote? Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:36 am

solpacvoicis wrote:

Rename wrote:

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

in communism there isn't a choice cause there is no leader, in socialism, there is a choice =D but that's me and my foolish attempt at trying to fit these concepts in simplified ways...

Is it true there hasn't ever been a true communist society?

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Rename · Counter-Revolutionary Posts: 171 Join date: 2008-07-30

Killuminati wrote:

Is it true there hasn't ever been a true communist society?

Nope.
True communist society refers to a utopia and thankfully i highly doubt a utopia is possible.

Cheveyo · Subject: Re: should we vote? Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:54 pm

Rename wrote:

KenCat wrote:

Back up your argument...
I backed up mine by saying I do not want to 'vote' for someone to gain actual power over myself and others. Once you vote them in, you're at their complete mercy.
Look at what happened with Bush, he stood as a peaceful, traditional republican (semi-libertarian) and after he was elected, he turned into a warmongering neoconservative who created laws to suppress the people.

And don't say that Democrats are even better... Bill Clinton went to wars too, he just kept them secret. Same with JFK, the political "saint".

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

I never said not to vote and then sit home doing nothing. Don't vote and then use DIRECT ACTION.
Voting or sending petitions never worked for our independence, it didn't work in the Civil War, it didn't work in Russia, it didn't work for civil rights, etc.

Killuminati wrote:

solpacvoicis wrote:

Rename wrote:

Simple really, i beileve we should vote for someone to gain power over us. By not voting your not doing anything, by voting your picking who leads. Better than monarchy or communism were you don't really have a choice.
And i won't say that about democrats Smile

in communism there isn't a choice cause there is no leader, in socialism, there is a choice =D but that's me and my foolish attempt at trying to fit these concepts in simplified ways...

Is it true there hasn't ever been a true communist society?

This is true. A communist society is one without a class devision. So in communist Russia, there WAS a devision -- the devision was between the people (who were generally equal amongst themselves) and the government.

In an Anarcho Communist society, there is not government so we will truly be equal.

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Rename · Counter-Revolutionary Posts: 171 Join date: 2008-07-30

KenCat wrote:

I never said not to vote and then sit home doing nothing. Don't vote and then use DIRECT ACTION.
Voting or sending petitions never worked for our independence, it didn't work in the Civil War, it didn't work in Russia, it didn't work for civil rights, etc.

Reformist direct action IS voting, voting for the reformists we put in. When we get enough we turn the white house into disorder and than peacefully kill them all...err.. peacefully switch governments

Sometimes direct action is nessecary, sometimes not, such as civil rights worked using direct action, yet in russia their direct action just made things worse.