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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:13 am

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yes there was a report about some of the 9/11 perpetrators were still alive but it was quickly hushed of course and I still can't find a good reason why they didn't allow the U.S. citizens to be the head of the 9/11 commission panel even though many people repeatedly asked to be

As for the 9/11 perpetrators things i guess its closed because i never heard it, and i looked it up cant find a decent source Crying or Very sad

Citizens aren't usually allowed too do things of this, like the courthouse their were 9/11 inside job people trying to prove it, government sure didn't stop them.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:16 am

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yes there was a report about some of the 9/11 perpetrators were still alive but it was quickly hushed of course and I still can't find a good reason why they didn't allow the U.S. citizens to be the head of the 9/11 commission panel even though many people repeatedly asked to be

As for the 9/11 perpetrators things i guess its closed because i never heard it, and i looked it up cant find a decent source Crying or Very sad

Citizens aren't usually allowed too do things of this, like the courthouse their were 9/11 inside job people trying to prove it, government sure didn't stop them.

"Citizens aren't usually allowed too do things of this"
Does that make it right? The 9/11 investigators were supposed to be independent people.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:29 pm

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"Citizens aren't usually allowed too do things of this"
Does that make it right? The 9/11 investigators were supposed to be independent people.

So just because they investigate they can look into government panels? - I have neutral feelings for it, saying as though they were suppose to investigate it, but than again its government which is not suppose to be accessed by average citizens.
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PostSubject: I know...   Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:47 pm

The 9/11 attacks on WTC Towers 1, 2, and 7 were all a mix of Muslim fanatics and the US Governments ignorance. They were thinkin "If we let these Jihad-inspired religious freaks bomb our center of global economy, then WE finish it off by blowing them up with bombs, we can enact unreasonable laws on our citizens!" Bush's response: "Uhhh.... Howz 'bout another one of dem bananners?" monkey As for the pentagon, completely done by the US Gov. Please give thanks to the many monkeys in Congress and the White House, for keeping us "Protected" from the terrorist "threat" Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:40 pm

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Thats somewhat contradictory, considering most 9/11 theorists beileve that the bombs were planted in the mid section, they wouldn't have any effect on the bodies below.

Oh and also when it feel at free fall speed, it did create alot of pressure and wind burst, obviously

Thermite, a chemical used in explosives was found at the site. Any people tried tell the US governement about it but of course it was ignored. Towers 6 and 7 had no plane hit them and fell just exactly like 1 and 2, how do you explain that? People inside the building and on ground zero heard numerous explosions from the building.

There is no way the fires or the airplane could bring a building down like that.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:00 pm

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Thermite, a chemical used in explosives was found at the site. Any people tried tell the US governement about it but of course it was ignored. Towers 6 and 7 had no plane hit them and fell just exactly like 1 and 2, how do you explain that? People inside the building and on ground zero heard numerous explosions from the building.

There is no way the fires or the airplane could bring a building down like that.

Again, back up your argument, most people just say this with no proof, were is this thermite? Many people weren't allowed on the area after the collapse, so the gov would have amplied time to hide it if it did happen...and i highly doubt the peope trying to get out would be concerned about a chemical substance, they would just want to get the hell out.

Steel structure weakened
It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.


explosions such as what? Many reports said they heard small smash like explosions, bombs make a big BOOOOM! not small smash like explosions. Some of them said they heard bomb like explsions, but lets look at all of the items inside of the WTC being smashed and burnt, this can clean some of the noises for that purpose.
Let's also look at the radius they said bombed, many bomb-sounds were reported at different subjects, like some up high some in the middle, now if someone wanted to hide a explsion, wouldn't they plant the bombs on the middle section to disable the connect quicker and demolish the fact that bombs could be seen or heard? OR would they put it on the outside were you can blantly see them exploding out and here them AND have them cause little damage to the connect system? - Theirs more chance if they would put a bomb inside the building they would put it in the middle-section than the outer wall areas, and of course they would make the bombs smaller than larger for sound-proof and other hiding purposes + specific targets that needed to be hit.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:04 pm

I dont think the US gov actually perpetrated it but I do think they had a fair deal of intelligence with regards to the threat.

At most Id say they turned a blind eye knowing how useful it would be to them.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:08 pm

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Thermite, a chemical used in explosives was found at the site. Any people tried tell the US governement about it but of course it was ignored. Towers 6 and 7 had no plane hit them and fell just exactly like 1 and 2, how do you explain that? People inside the building and on ground zero heard numerous explosions from the building.

There is no way the fires or the airplane could bring a building down like that.

Again, back up your argument, most people just say this with no proof, were is this thermite? Many people weren't allowed on the area after the collapse, so the gov would have amplied time to hide it if it did happen...and i highly doubt the peope trying to get out would be concerned about a chemical substance, they would just want to get the hell out.

Steel structure weakened
It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.


explosions such as what? Many reports said they heard small smash like explosions, bombs make a big BOOOOM! not small smash like explosions. Some of them said they heard bomb like explsions, but lets look at all of the items inside of the WTC being smashed and burnt, this can clean some of the noises for that purpose.
Let's also look at the radius they said bombed, many bomb-sounds were reported at different subjects, like some up high some in the middle, now if someone wanted to hide a explsion, wouldn't they plant the bombs on the middle section to disable the connect quicker and demolish the fact that bombs could be seen or heard? OR would they put it on the outside were you can blantly see them exploding out and here them AND have them cause little damage to the connect system? - Theirs more chance if they would put a bomb inside the building they would put it in the middle-section than the outer wall areas, and of course they would make the bombs smaller than larger for sound-proof and other hiding purposes + specific targets that needed to be hit.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/thermite.htm?q=thermite.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html?q=911_firefighters.html
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:08 pm

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I dont think the US gov actually perpetrated it but I do think they had a fair deal of intelligence with regards to the threat.

At most Id say they turned a blind eye knowing how useful it would be to them.

Now that is something i can accept might have happened. - I do agree they had intelligence of it, and could have prevented it.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:14 pm

InsurgenteCujo wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/thermite.htm?q=thermite.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html?q=911_firefighters.html

Conspiracy theorists use that page alot it seems...ive been directed their by about 5 people, well all i have is one response each time cheers
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:15 pm

Also here's a link about the mis-identified hijackers - how could they mis-identify the hijackers if they said they found a list of names in Muhammad Atta 's bag?
http://www.911review.org/Wget/propagandamatrix.com/seven_of_the_wtc_hijackers_found_alive.html

And this video on Bush's reaction to 9/11 is interesting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5752277067931547109&hl=en

By the way I got a question?

If the planes hit the top of the tower, how did the building collapse like that, you can say the plane fell on the floors and took down the building but the steel columns should have still been there

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:19 pm

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If the planes hit the top of the tower, how did the building collapse like that, you can say the plane fell on the floors and took down the building but the steel columns should have still been there

Now, think about it this way, plane goes threw the middle-top section knocking out some columns, the above floors would than collapse due to no holding point, and to add to that a plane is there, the weight falls and continues to add as it collapse, with that much weight it could easily pass threw broken supports!
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:21 pm

A flashback.
Pieces of Bone Are Found on Building at 9/11 Site

By JIM DWYER
Published: April 6, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/nyregion/06remains.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

A crew of demolition workers discovered 74 bone fragments near the World Trade Center site over the weekend, the largest number of remains found since the end of recovery operations nearly three years ago and a sign that significant quantities of human remains may have gone unnoticed in sporadic searches over the years.

Most of the fragments were found mixed among roof ballast — gravel — that had been raked to the perimeters of the roof of the condemned Deutsche Bank building, officials said. The building, at 130 Liberty Street, stands just south of where the twin towers once loomed, and intensive work began there last month to prepare for its demolition.

The towers rose nearly 800 feet above the roof of the building, which was showered with debris and remains on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Because of extensive damage and contamination, the structure was deemed a total loss, but its demolition has been delayed by legal wrangling and concerns about environmental hazards.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which has taken control of the building, began the preliminary stages of demolition two weeks ago. That brought fresh scrutiny to the site, where small quantities of remains have been found occasionally since 2001.

Of the 2,749 people who were killed in the trade center attack, the remains of 1,151 have never been identified, despite advanced DNA testing. To date, the chief medical examiner's office has been unable to identify more than 9,000 fragments taken from the attack site.

In the Deutsche Bank discovery, construction workers retrieved 82 samples, and 74 of them proved to be human remains, according to Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner.

"This is the largest find from the Deutsche Bank, and I would not be surprised if additional quantities of remains are found there," Ms. Borakove said. "They are still doing the cleanup."

All the remains will be subjected to DNA testing, and will be stored indefinitely if they cannot be linked to anyone, Ms. Borakove said.

The word of the large discovery shook Diane Horning, whose son Matthew died in the north tower and who is a founder of WTC Families for Proper Burial. Mrs. Horning said she had requested a meeting with the development agency to discuss its procedures after three fragments were found last month. She was called Sunday evening and invited to a meeting on Tuesday.

"It disturbs me that L.M.D.C. keeps information from us and the public — I would not have known unless I asked for this meeting," Mrs. Horning said. "They're now getting into places that they weren't able to inspect before — knocking things loose, louvers, cooling towers."

John Gallagher, a spokesman for the development agency, said that workers had been conducting abatement of asbestos and other contaminants on the roof.

"Because of the thorough cleaning and abatement techniques that are required for this job, findings such as these are not unanticipated," Mr. Gallagher said.

Mrs. Horning said she was concerned that construction workers without expertise were making decisions about what should be preserved. "We're not asking to halt the demolition — we're asking for it to slow down a bit, knowing that time is money," she said.

She said that the contractor was amenable to getting help from police officers or firefighters.

But Rosaleen Tallon, whose brother, Sean, a firefighter, died in the trade center, questioned whether firefighters or police officers would be any better qualified for the task of distinguishing fragmentary human remains from debris. "You can't dismantle that building that quickly now — we need to make sure other interests are not coming before the preservation of human dignity," she said.

Mr. Gallagher of the development corporation, whose board of directors are appointed by the governor and the mayor, said that the agency was taking great care in the demolition.

"Through rigorous protocols that we established in conjunction with the office of the chief medical examiner, we will continue to make certain that any remains found are treated with the utmost dignity, care and respect," he said.

James Barron contributed reporting for this article.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:21 pm

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I dont think the US gov actually perpetrated it but I do think they had a fair deal of intelligence with regards to the threat.

At most Id say they turned a blind eye knowing how useful it would be to them.

Agreed.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:22 pm

Sources: Hijackers' ex-landlord was FBI informant

September 11, 2002 Posted: 4:33 AM EDT (0833 GMT)
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A former landlord of two of the September 11 hijackers was an FBI informant at the time, knowledgeable sources confirm to CNN.

The two hijackers, Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, lived in San Diego in the fall of 2000 and were taken in by a Muslim man after he met them at a local Islamic center. The landlord had been an informant for the FBI, supplying information about the Islamic terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah.

The revelation, first reported by Newsweek, focuses renewed attention on possible mistakes made by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence prior to September 11. Newsweek reported that the FBI informant lived in close quarters with the two future hijackers.

"The FBI concedes that a San Diego case agent appears to have been at least aware that Saudi visitors were renting rooms in the informant's house," Newsweek reported.

Some members of the congressional committee investigating the intelligence failures and the September 11 attacks knew about the relationship between the landlord and the FBI, and the point will probably come up when the panel holds public hearings, expected later this month.
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U.S. intelligence officials said that in January of 2000, when Almidhar and Alhazmi attended a meeting of known terrorists in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, that fact was communicated by the CIA to the FBI. Yet it was not until August 23, 2001, that the CIA warned the FBI and other law enforcement agencies to watch for the two men, and that they might try to enter the United States.

By that time, Almidhar and Alhazmi had been in the U.S. for more than 11 months.

The FBI contends the agency was never told about the two men before August 23 and says it can find no record of any such communication between CIA and FBI to show the information might have been overlooked. The FBI has maintained that position in its dealings with congressional investigators and has asked the CIA to document, if possible, having sent word earlier.

The San Diego landlord, reached by CNN on Monday, has refused comment.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:26 pm

For both of you

http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm
I think its near the start that it says the ID's of the men and its in the paranoid fanatasies section or something like that.

It also makes it sound really funny too lol!
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:29 pm

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For both of you

http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm
I think its near the start that it says the ID's of the men and its in the paranoid fanatasies section or something like that.

It also makes it sound really funny too lol!

Including me? lol
I don't believe either theory.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:31 pm

So the CIA tracking 2 men for months and didn't bother to tell the FBI and even uncovered their secret meetings and still didn't bother to tell the FBI, doesn't sound a bit odd to you? Sounds like the CIA was protecting them

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:36 pm

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So the CIA tracking 2 men for months and didn't bother to tell the FBI and even uncovered their secret meetings and still didn't bother to tell the FBI, doesn't sound a bit odd to you? Sounds like the CIA was protecting them

CIA has to connect with FBI? Last i heard CIA was above the FBI, they don't need to inform everyone below them of their duties and jobs. Would be like the FBI telling police that, not enough trust. CIA is a well hidden organization Somewhat like "Illuminati" that you know about of course Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:40 pm

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So the CIA tracking 2 men for months and didn't bother to tell the FBI and even uncovered their secret meetings and still didn't bother to tell the FBI, doesn't sound a bit odd to you? Sounds like the CIA was protecting them

CIA has to connect with FBI? Last i heard CIA was above the FBI, they don't need to inform everyone below them of their duties and jobs. Would be like the FBI telling police that, not enough trust. CIA is a well hidden organization Somewhat like "Illuminati" that you know about of course Very Happy
Ok so why didn't the CIA do anything about them considering they had uncovered their meetings, oh by the way, Why did the first thing they do is start taking away video-tapes and pictures of the world trade center attacks, that seems like something China did after the tank men when they didn't want the public to see the truth?

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:44 pm

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Ok so why didn't the CIA do anything about them considering they had uncovered their meetings, oh by the way, Why did the first thing they do is start taking away video-tapes and pictures of the world trade center attacks, that seems like something China did after the tank men when they didn't want the public to see the truth?

Well umm China didn't do a very good job did they? I mean its everywhere...i highly doubt they actually tried to get rid of it considering the entire world must have seen it, when us hide those 6-7cameras they were hid. Plus their communist lol!
And also, i don't understand? They took away near 6 cameras of the footage of the 9/11 attacks when they had about 50 already being shown (Some public media, some personal)

Question: What meetings? Al-Qaedea / Hijackers / Suicide bombers / Osama | which one?
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:50 pm

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Ok so why didn't the CIA do anything about them considering they had uncovered their meetings, oh by the way, Why did the first thing they do is start taking away video-tapes and pictures of the world trade center attacks, that seems like something China did after the tank men when they didn't want the public to see the truth?

Well umm China didn't do a very good job did they? I mean its everywhere...i highly doubt they actually tried to get rid of it considering the entire world must have seen it, when us hide those 6-7cameras they were hid. Plus their communist lol!
And also, i don't understand? They took away near 6 cameras of the footage of the 9/11 attacks when they had about 50 already being shown (Some public media, some personal)

Question: What meetings? Al-Qaedea / Hijackers / Suicide bombers / Osama | which one?
Actually inspirational heroes (or something like that) documentary they went by every room and asked for a tape from the people they saw video taping it but of course some people were smart and hide it.

Neither did U.S. but that doesn't destory the fact that they still tried to take footage away....why?

First off, the CIA were tracking the hijackers and knew they were mujihadeen and associated with so called terrorists. They deliberately let them into the U.S.

"A former landlord of two of the September 11 hijackers was an FBI informant at the time, knowledgeable sources confirm to CNN."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/

They never specified what kind of meeting they just said they had tapped their meetings

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:53 pm

"On October 9, members of the special congressional committee investigating the 9/11 attacks met privately with a key FBI witness. The next day, panel members were to meet in open session with CIA Director George Tenet and FBI Director Robert Mueller. After the FBI agent finished testifying, the open meetings with Tenet and Mueller were summarily canceled."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

Awww...to bad. I wonder why they canceled those public hearings? And BTW notice it said members of the committee, not the committee. They don't cancel the secret meetings but they cancel the open ones hmm...

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:05 pm

They didn't take away personal videos..and as you know several varietys were shown on TV.

"The revelation, first reported by Newsweek, focuses renewed attention on possible mistakes made by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence prior to September 11."
They even say that it could have been avoided, and it was a mistake, not a conspiracy, so kind of hard to use that article

And whats the reason they canceled? And what does it have to do with 9/11?
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 your views   Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:38 pm

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Well umm China didn't do a very good job did they? I mean its everywhere...i highly doubt they actually tried to get rid of it considering the entire world must have seen it, when us hide those 6-7cameras they were hid. Plus their communist lol!

lol, yeah, they are the communist party of china, never said the country itself was communist, they say its socialist - honestly, the things they teach in schools! lol!

yeah, see, funny thing about china, even more true back then - very very very decentralized, not a lot of the internet or tv access

ask people out in the country of china, they will have no fucking clue what you are talking about when referring to tiannamen (sp...) square, they'll be all "yes, yes, that's in china, what about it?" "did something bad happen there?" ^_^
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