The Anarchist Underground

Political movement
 
HomeTestCalendarGalleryFAQSearchMemberlistUsergroupsRegisterLog in

Share | 
 

 Legal Guerrilla Warfare

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:59 pm

For educational purposes only, don't use the information listed below for any illegal acts, kiddies.



Guerrilla warfare per se is not illegal under IHL, but guerrillas must follow the same laws that apply to all regular armed forces.

Like all fighters, guerrillas have different rights depending upon whether the armed conflict is international or internal. Under the Geneva Conventions of 1949, a person fighting in irregular forces, often the kind of fighter we today would regard as a guerrilla, is considered a lawful combatant in an international armed conflict provided that he fights under certain specified conditions. The importance of being a lawful combatant is twofold. First, if captured by opposing international forces (not by his government), he may not be prosecuted or punished for taking part in combat. Second, he must be treated as a prisoner of war under applicable international rules.

In order to be granted the privilege of being a lawful combatant, the fighter must, however, observe four rules:

1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

2. Wear a distinctive sign or article of clothing visible at a distance in order to indicate that he is a combatant and a potential target who may lawfully be attacked by opposing forces; this provision is for the protection of noncombatant civilians.

3. Carry his weapon openly to indicate his combatant status and to distinguish fighters from the civilian population.

4. Observe the laws of war.

Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions attempted to take into account the realities of guerrilla warfare, in particular the routine practice of concealment among the general population. In a controversial rule, the protocol requires only that a guerrilla combatant in an international armed conflict carry his arms openly just before an attack. The United States has, for a variety of reasons, not ratified the protocol. In this particular instance, the United States believes it represents a step backward in the protection of civilians since it increases the legal ability of guerrilla fighters to expose civilians to greater risk.

Guerrillas in internal armed conflicts are covered by Article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and more controversially, by Additional Protocol II of 1977, which has not received wide acceptance. To qualify as combatants under Common Article 3, guerrillas must meet the requirements under customary law, chiefly to conduct themselves with the discipline necessary to show that they adhere to the laws of war. Thus, insurgents must give humane treatment to captured civilians and government soldiers. Insurgents, too, can punish their detainees only after giving them fair trials.

Even if they observe all the rules, guerrillas, in internal conflicts, benefit only from a very limited combatant’s privilege. They are fully liable, if captured by their government, to be tried for rebellion, sedition, and for acts, undertaken as guerrillas, such as murder or destruction of property. If a country’s domestic law permits, they may be executed provided they are tried and sentenced “by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.”






In a Guerrilla movement, it would be favorable for the guerrillas to follow international law, even if they are opposed to law, to gain the support of the people, which is step one of the classic guerrilla model.
WERE anarchists to form a guerrilla network, how do you think they should follow international law?

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
Yaotl
Admin


Posts : 93
Join date : 2008-07-07
Age : 26
Location : The Occupation of Turtle Island

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:47 pm

Beats me.

KenCat wrote:
For educational purposes only, don't use the information listed below for any illegal acts, kiddies.



Guerrilla warfare per se is not illegal under IHL, but guerrillas must follow the same laws that apply to all regular armed forces.

Like all fighters, guerrillas have different rights depending upon whether the armed conflict is international or internal. Under the Geneva Conventions of 1949, a person fighting in irregular forces, often the kind of fighter we today would regard as a guerrilla, is considered a lawful combatant in an international armed conflict provided that he fights under certain specified conditions. The importance of being a lawful combatant is twofold. First, if captured by opposing international forces (not by his government), he may not be prosecuted or punished for taking part in combat. Second, he must be treated as a prisoner of war under applicable international rules.

In order to be granted the privilege of being a lawful combatant, the fighter must, however, observe four rules:

1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

2. Wear a distinctive sign or article of clothing visible at a distance in order to indicate that he is a combatant and a potential target who may lawfully be attacked by opposing forces; this provision is for the protection of noncombatant civilians.

3. Carry his weapon openly to indicate his combatant status and to distinguish fighters from the civilian population.

4. Observe the laws of war.

Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions attempted to take into account the realities of guerrilla warfare, in particular the routine practice of concealment among the general population. In a controversial rule, the protocol requires only that a guerrilla combatant in an international armed conflict carry his arms openly just before an attack. The United States has, for a variety of reasons, not ratified the protocol. In this particular instance, the United States believes it represents a step backward in the protection of civilians since it increases the legal ability of guerrilla fighters to expose civilians to greater risk.

Guerrillas in internal armed conflicts are covered by Article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and more controversially, by Additional Protocol II of 1977, which has not received wide acceptance. To qualify as combatants under Common Article 3, guerrillas must meet the requirements under customary law, chiefly to conduct themselves with the discipline necessary to show that they adhere to the laws of war. Thus, insurgents must give humane treatment to captured civilians and government soldiers. Insurgents, too, can punish their detainees only after giving them fair trials.

Even if they observe all the rules, guerrillas, in internal conflicts, benefit only from a very limited combatant’s privilege. They are fully liable, if captured by their government, to be tried for rebellion, sedition, and for acts, undertaken as guerrillas, such as murder or destruction of property. If a country’s domestic law permits, they may be executed provided they are tried and sentenced “by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.”






In a Guerrilla movement, it would be favorable for the guerrillas to follow international law, even if they are opposed to law, to gain the support of the people, which is step one of the classic guerrilla model.
WERE anarchists to form a guerrilla network, how do you think they should follow international law?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Rename
Counter-Revolutionary


Posts : 171
Join date : 2008-07-29

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:19 pm

The government...allows this?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
solpacvoicis
Admin


Posts : 156
Join date : 2008-07-04

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:05 am

yes, in the same sense that they allow you to kill someone - if you caught, you face their consequences lol

you'll be tried for treason etc. if caught by the government ^_^
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:56 am

Rename wrote:
The government...allows this?

Although I don't believe in government, a "good" government SHOULD allow it.
In fact, the founding fathers put it in the CONSTITUTION in case the government was hijacked by monarchs, oligarchs, etc.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent* of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive* of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish* it.
--Declaration of Independence


The Constitution states its right to bear arms for this case (and a few others).



*I never consented!
*The government is distructive!
*I want to abolish it!

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
killuminati
Admin
avatar

Posts : 461
Join date : 2008-08-04
Age : 23
Location : RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:10 pm

KenCat wrote:
Rename wrote:
The government...allows this?

Although I don't believe in government, a "good" government SHOULD allow it.
In fact, the founding fathers put it in the CONSTITUTION in case the government was hijacked by monarchs, oligarchs, etc.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent* of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive* of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish* it.
--Declaration of Independence


The Constitution states its right to bear arms for this case (and a few others).



*I never consented!
*The government is distructive!
*I want to abolish it!
but this idea is all on depending if the U.S. government RESPECT OUR RIGHTS AND CONSTITUTION....and they do not - now Police can pat you down if he suspect you have a gun for no reason

_________________
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:42 am

[quote="Killuminati"]
KenCat wrote:
but this idea is all on depending if the U.S. government RESPECT OUR RIGHTS AND CONSTITUTION....and they do not - now Police can pat you down if he suspect you have a gun for no reason

True, but we would gain popularity of the people which is THE key in guerrilla warfare.

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
chris



Posts : 58
Join date : 2008-08-06
Age : 25

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:14 pm

Fuck the laws.. If we get caught we swallow a cyanide capsule and die.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
killuminati
Admin
avatar

Posts : 461
Join date : 2008-08-04
Age : 23
Location : RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:23 pm

chris wrote:
Fuck the laws.. If we get caught we swallow a cyanide capsule and die.
wooo u might as well have a bomb on ur chest if your gonna do that...

_________________
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Inkus2000
Admin
avatar

Posts : 284
Join date : 2008-07-04

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:29 pm

Quote :
1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

Id think an Anarchist militia would be democratic - devoid of rank.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:55 pm

Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

Id think an Anarchist militia would be democratic - devoid of rank.

I noticed that too. We obviously wouldn't have a general, though we definitely would have "structure of command and discipline".

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
killuminati
Admin
avatar

Posts : 461
Join date : 2008-08-04
Age : 23
Location : RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:56 pm

KenCat wrote:
Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

Id think an Anarchist militia would be democratic - devoid of rank.

I noticed that too. We obviously wouldn't have a general, though we definitely would have "structure of command and discipline".
we just need a group like the weathermen pissed off mother fuckas wanting a change woo! cheers



ARE YOU READY FOR THIS GOVERNMENT?

_________________
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Inkus2000
Admin
avatar

Posts : 284
Join date : 2008-07-04

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:11 pm

KenCat wrote:
Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

Id think an Anarchist militia would be democratic - devoid of rank.

I noticed that too. We obviously wouldn't have a general, though we definitely would have "structure of command and discipline".


I think all decisions would be made on a democratic basis - whatever the situation calls for. Members ''as Anarchists'' would be expected to show self discipline. I reject the need for a hierarchical command structure, it goes against our principals.

Killuminati - cool pic Very Happy
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:53 pm

Inkus2000 wrote:
KenCat wrote:
Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
1. Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; this requirement is intended to ensure that irregular forces have a structure of command and discipline capable of following the laws of war.

Id think an Anarchist militia would be democratic - devoid of rank.

I noticed that too. We obviously wouldn't have a general, though we definitely would have "structure of command and discipline".


I think all decisions would be made on a democratic basis - whatever the situation calls for. Members ''as Anarchists'' would be expected to show self discipline. I reject the need for a hierarchical command structure, it goes against our principals.

Killuminati - cool pic Very Happy

Although not technically in the Weather Underground, I believe the man on the right is one of my heroes, Abbie.
Fuck being politically correct, fuck this "for educational purposes only" bullshit, I will dedicate my life to the revolution.

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
Inkus2000
Admin
avatar

Posts : 284
Join date : 2008-07-04

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:33 am

Quote :
Although not technically in the Weather Underground, I believe the man on the right is one of my heroes, Abbie.
Fuck being politically correct, fuck this "for educational purposes only" bullshit, I will dedicate my life to the revolution.

Viva, Viva La Revolucion !
Back to top Go down
View user profile
killuminati
Admin
avatar

Posts : 461
Join date : 2008-08-04
Age : 23
Location : RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:11 pm

Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
Although not technically in the Weather Underground, I believe the man on the right is one of my heroes, Abbie.
Fuck being politically correct, fuck this "for educational purposes only" bullshit, I will dedicate my life to the revolution.

Viva, Viva La Revolucion !

"Revolution is not something fixed in ideology, nor is it something fashioned to a particular decade. It is a perpetual process embedded in the human spirit."

_________________
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cheveyo
Admin
avatar

Posts : 803
Join date : 2008-07-04
Location : The Divided Police State of Amerika

PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:34 pm

Killuminati wrote:
Inkus2000 wrote:
Quote :
Although not technically in the Weather Underground, I believe the man on the right is one of my heroes, Abbie.
Fuck being politically correct, fuck this "for educational purposes only" bullshit, I will dedicate my life to the revolution.

Viva, Viva La Revolucion !

"Revolution is not something fixed in ideology, nor is it something fashioned to a particular decade. It is a perpetual process embedded in the human spirit."

I've heard this quote and it has amazed me how true it is. There comes a time in every person's life where they realize that authority is unjust and it is made into something that is. Of course, this is said to be due to things such as caffeine, video games, "too much freedom" (I head this one).

The older you get while not questioning everything you come by, the harder it is to realize. This is why there are so many revolutionary young people, they haven't been bombarded by authoritarian propaganda as much as the older ones.

_________________

'Tis better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable"
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.MySpace.com/Carlos758 and www.AnarchistUnderground.co
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Legal Guerrilla Warfare   

Back to top Go down
 
Legal Guerrilla Warfare
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» McCann's Outburst Towards Press - Guerrilla Democracy News
» Quick Veteran Guerrilla Radio Links
» wet nurse in Eastern PA
» So, There IS such a thing as "TREE LAWS!" (on Public Parkways!)
» TWITTER ORDERED TO HAND OVER NAMES

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
The Anarchist Underground :: The Revolutionary Sphere :: Revolutionary Thoughts-
Jump to: