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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:49 pm

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Agreed 100%. I have never heard that schizophrenia statistic -- it's amazing. And yes, I'd rather the criminals go through some sort of rehabilitation, so they can go out and be a great part of society instead of rotting in jail.

Speaking of jail, go to this topic and watch the three videos (part one, two and three) -- it'll show you what jail does to both the jailed and the jailers.
It's eye-opening (if you're not an anarchist. If you're an anarchist, your eyes are already open). =p

http://anarchist-org.forum-gratuiti.net/law-and-order-f4/the-stanford-prison-experiment-t22.htm

lol, dont trust my statistics too much though. i get them from random places and i dont even trust em sometimes.

ill check out those vids later. its getting late and i have to check out a few stuff and then go to bed. i have to get up early to study tomorrow, because in september i have an audition to get into a music conservatory.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:50 pm

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Agreed 100%. I have never heard that schizophrenia statistic -- it's amazing. And yes, I'd rather the criminals go through some sort of rehabilitation, so they can go out and be a great part of society instead of rotting in jail.

Speaking of jail, go to this topic and watch the three videos (part one, two and three) -- it'll show you what jail does to both the jailed and the jailers.
It's eye-opening (if you're not an anarchist. If you're an anarchist, your eyes are already open). =p

http://anarchist-org.forum-gratuiti.net/law-and-order-f4/the-stanford-prison-experiment-t22.htm

lol, dont trust my statistics too much though. i get them from random places and i dont even trust em sometimes.

ill check out those vids later. its getting late and i have to check out a few stuff and then go to bed. i have to get up early to study tomorrow, because in september i have an audition to get into a music conservatory.

Sounds good. Well good luck with that!
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:50 pm

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i was doing some research on schizophrenia a long time ago, and i came across a statistic, which basically said that in first world countries, people take a lot longer to recover from a psychotic breakdown than in a third world country. this is because in third world countries, people tend to have more of a social life and connectedness to nature. they have a greater input of ideas, and therefore, they are forced to go back to reality.
so i estimate that in an anarchist society, if it is functioning at its best, there would be a lot less criminals.also, look at america and the whole deal with school shootings. its all because people have an alienated lifestyle. and its not just capitalism as a system, its the whole mentality that goes along with capitalism. and if you have a criminal, wouldnt you rather make him go through some kind of rehabilitation? after all, society would function as a sort of rehabilitation center in itself, since people would be more open minded by nature. people would naturally have a greater understanding of things due to less alienation and more spontanious thinking and behaviour.


I would have thought people in third world nations would be required to recover due to necessity - they would be under considerable pressure to 'act' normal again due to economic strains. They would need to go back to work in order to provide for their famillies ect where in the developed world the enviroment allows people to 'take time off' we have welfare ect. Maybe people dont recover faster in the developed world maybe they are just forced due to necessity to supress their problems and get back to work. People under such conditions can adapt by ignoring their problems but the problems still remain.

I would consider developed nations far more socialized than developing nations who are in many respects closer to free market capitalism. I don't buy the idea that people in developing nations are any more healthy in any respect - if anything I think they suffer much more.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:53 pm

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god0fmusic wrote:
i was doing some research on schizophrenia a long time ago, and i came across a statistic, which basically said that in first world countries, people take a lot longer to recover from a psychotic breakdown than in a third world country. this is because in third world countries, people tend to have more of a social life and connectedness to nature. they have a greater input of ideas, and therefore, they are forced to go back to reality.
so i estimate that in an anarchist society, if it is functioning at its best, there would be a lot less criminals.also, look at america and the whole deal with school shootings. its all because people have an alienated lifestyle. and its not just capitalism as a system, its the whole mentality that goes along with capitalism. and if you have a criminal, wouldnt you rather make him go through some kind of rehabilitation? after all, society would function as a sort of rehabilitation center in itself, since people would be more open minded by nature. people would naturally have a greater understanding of things due to less alienation and more spontanious thinking and behaviour.


I would have thought people in third world nations would be required to recover due to necessity - they would be under considerable pressure to 'act' normal again due to economic strains. They would need to go back to work in order to provide for their famillies ect where in the developed world the enviroment allows people to 'take time off' we have welfare ect. Maybe people dont recover faster in the developed world maybe they are just forced due to necessity to supress their problems and get back to work. People under such conditions can adapt by ignoring their problems but the problems still remain.

I would consider developed nations far more socialized than developing nations who are in many respects closer to free market capitalism. I don't buy the idea that people in developing nations are any more healthy in any respect - if anything I think they suffer much more.

They may suffer, but they DO live longer. For example, they do more physical labor.
I don't think you can exactly force back conditions such as schizophrenia, but with other conditions, this may be possible.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:13 pm

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god0fmusic wrote:
i was doing some research on schizophrenia a long time ago, and i came across a statistic, which basically said that in first world countries, people take a lot longer to recover from a psychotic breakdown than in a third world country. this is because in third world countries, people tend to have more of a social life and connectedness to nature. they have a greater input of ideas, and therefore, they are forced to go back to reality.
so i estimate that in an anarchist society, if it is functioning at its best, there would be a lot less criminals.also, look at america and the whole deal with school shootings. its all because people have an alienated lifestyle. and its not just capitalism as a system, its the whole mentality that goes along with capitalism. and if you have a criminal, wouldnt you rather make him go through some kind of rehabilitation? after all, society would function as a sort of rehabilitation center in itself, since people would be more open minded by nature. people would naturally have a greater understanding of things due to less alienation and more spontanious thinking and behaviour.


I would have thought people in third world nations would be required to recover due to necessity - they would be under considerable pressure to 'act' normal again due to economic strains. They would need to go back to work in order to provide for their famillies ect where in the developed world the enviroment allows people to 'take time off' we have welfare ect. Maybe people dont recover faster in the developed world maybe they are just forced due to necessity to supress their problems and get back to work. People under such conditions can adapt by ignoring their problems but the problems still remain.

I would consider developed nations far more socialized than developing nations who are in many respects closer to free market capitalism. I don't buy the idea that people in developing nations are any more healthy in any respect - if anything I think they suffer much more.

They may suffer, but they DO live longer. For example, they do more physical labor.
I don't think you can exactly force back conditions such as schizophrenia, but with other conditions, this may be possible.


People in developing nations do 'not' live longer at all - many suffer from accute malnutrition ect
They are without question less healthy- the poorer the nation the lower the life expectancy.




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Life_Expectancy_2007_Estimates_CIA_World_Factbook.PNG/800px-Life_Expectancy_2007_Estimates_CIA_World_Factbook.PNG
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:23 pm

No shit, I don't know what I was thinking!
I think I was referring to the life expectancy of other countries relating to the US life expectancy (like US to Canada or US to England).
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:35 pm

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No shit, I don't know what I was thinking!
I think I was referring to the life expectancy of other countries relating to the US life expectancy (like US to Canada or US to England).

england third world ? Very Happy

Yea I think Americans have bad diets - but not much worse than England or Ireland
The continent is far more healthy - France, Spain, Italy - all along the Mediteranian
I was in France a few months back - you seldom see overweight people - the women are 'fine'

They all smoke quite a bit though - still I suppose the diet makes up for it - very few fast food/junkfood places in Paris
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:46 pm

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KenCat wrote:
No shit, I don't know what I was thinking!
I think I was referring to the life expectancy of other countries relating to the US life expectancy (like US to Canada or US to England).

england third world ? Very Happy

Yea I think Americans have bad diets - but not much worse than England or Ireland
The continent is far more healthy - France, Spain, Italy - all along the Mediteranian
I was in France a few months back - you seldom see overweight people - the women are 'fine'

They all smoke quite a bit though - still I suppose the diet makes up for it - very few fast food/junkfood places in Paris

Even with all the smoking and pastries, the life expectancy is much higher. =p
I love France. =]
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:53 pm

KenCat wrote:
Inkus2000 wrote:
KenCat wrote:
No shit, I don't know what I was thinking!
I think I was referring to the life expectancy of other countries relating to the US life expectancy (like US to Canada or US to England).

england third world ? Very Happy

Yea I think Americans have bad diets - but not much worse than England or Ireland
The continent is far more healthy - France, Spain, Italy - all along the Mediteranian
I was in France a few months back - you seldom see overweight people - the women are 'fine'

They all smoke quite a bit though - still I suppose the diet makes up for it - very few fast food/junkfood places in Paris

Even with all the smoking and pastries, the life expectancy is much higher. =p
I love France. =]

I want to move to Paris some time - its the coolest place ever
If your every visiting Europe either go to France or Italy - don't mind the other countries theres nothing in them Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:03 pm

i read somewhere that the reason the French are usually not obese is b/c of the quantity of what they eat. not as much of WHAT they eat. imight be wrong, i just read that.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:08 pm

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i read somewhere that the reason the French are usually not obese is b/c of the quantity of what they eat. not as much of WHAT they eat. imight be wrong, i just read that.

True. French can control themselves, unlike us American pigs. lol

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And I've been to both Italy and France!
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:13 pm

yea id love to go to either one. im just from a mid class home. thats why anarchy sounds so good.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:17 pm

KenCat wrote:
mr_ska wrote:
i read somewhere that the reason the French are usually not obese is b/c of the quantity of what they eat. not as much of WHAT they eat. imight be wrong, i just read that.

True. French can control themselves, unlike us American pigs. lol

*devours cow*



And I've been to both Italy and France!


Iv never been to Italy but Its supposed to be cool - I was in Germany - England - France + Austria dats bout it
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:18 pm

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yea id love to go to either one. im just from a mid class home. thats why anarchy sounds so good.

I'm from a mid class home, too.. Relatives (who happen to be socialist) payed for my stay in Europe.

In an Anarchist society, there would only be one class.

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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:20 pm

yep. thats y it sounds wonderful
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:23 pm

KenCat wrote:
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yea id love to go to either one. im just from a mid class home. thats why anarchy sounds so good.

I'm from a mid class home, too.. Relatives (who happen to be socialist) payed for my stay in Europe.

In an Anarchist society, there would only be one class.

were working class/lower middle
My aunt lives in Munich - i used to live in england -


Other than that flights and accom are cheap during the winter - I live close hehe

my parents are socialists
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:44 pm

where do u live now?
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:47 pm

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where do u live now?

Id rather not say - look at the google map - in the portal lol
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:48 pm

oh yea,i understand that.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:45 am

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I would have thought people in third world nations would be required to recover due to necessity - they would be under considerable pressure to 'act' normal again due to economic strains. They would need to go back to work in order to provide for their famillies ect where in the developed world the enviroment allows people to 'take time off' we have welfare ect. Maybe people dont recover faster in the developed world maybe they are just forced due to necessity to supress their problems and get back to work. People under such conditions can adapt by ignoring their problems but the problems still remain.

I would consider developed nations far more socialized than developing nations who are in many respects closer to free market capitalism. I don't buy the idea that people in developing nations are any more healthy in any respect - if anything I think they suffer much more.

well, i would guess that in developing nations, people are forced to be more extroverted and open minded due to their condition, while in first world countries, especially those where people consume a lot, people would tend to worry too much about useless things and not look at reality in the right perspective. plus, they're stressed as hell and feel alienated due to capitalism.

what im wondering is how americans live so long when they live so stressed... maybe its the religion which serves as some kind of opium for them.
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:50 am

btw, here's some links to the schizophrenia deal:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6622596
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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:17 am

Inkus2000 wrote:
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where do u live now?

Id rather not say - look at the google map - in the portal lol
Oh? =p



"what im wondering is how americans live so long when they live so stressed... maybe its the religion which serves as some kind of opium for them."

I suppose there is a constant push to be healthier and healthier in the US (even if we're not).

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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:28 pm

I don't mean to be a bummer, but i think we should keep the spam to a minimum. I don't actually think this thread had died.

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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:54 pm

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I don't mean to be a bummer, but i think we should keep the spam to a minimum. I don't actually think this thread had died.

Good point, this was a very good thread.

Is there anything anyone (even longtime Anarchists) would like to know about Anarchism?

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PostSubject: Re: What is anarchism?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:54 pm

oh yea, sorry bout that.we did kinda get off topic there. so who exactly thought up the theory of anarchism? like whocame out and said it?
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